[sirdan]

this car is in this months hot rod magazine

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/EVS-Mot...4a-9af000e9e642

[zjr360]

Thats sooo badass! I liked the mustang with the nissan motor in it in Fas and furious: tokyo drift... But this is SO much cooler! A classic chevy with a badass 'yota motor!    

[wadadlianu]

Nice idea, but sacrilege to me.  That must piss off alot of diehard bow tie guys.  Honestly I would have preferred to just turbo a GM engine and do that.  Now if only I could get my hands on GM's best engine - the 302. Sadly an engine very few knew about.

[sirdan]

heres another video of it

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/67-Cama...=9&v=5c1dc94c02

i love his exhaust tips they make that car look cool.

isent the 302 and olds motor? is that the one they also boosted in the 80-81 turbo trans am?  

[83GTCoupe]

isent Isn't the 302 and Olds motor?

Bite yer tongue!! 302 is FORD. GM never made a 302.

[sirdan]

after some reasearch ive found:

302

Chevrolet produced a special 302 cu in (4.9 L) engine for Trans Am racing from 1967-1969. It was the product of placing the 3-inch stroke crankshaft into a 4-inch bore block. Although the 283 also used a 3-inch stroke crankshaft, it was a low performance cast iron crankshaft. The crankshaft for the 302 was specially built of forged steel. This engine was used only in the first-generation Camaro Z28. Conservatively rated at 290 hp (216 kW), actual output was around 375 hp (280 kW). This block is one of 3 displacements that underwent a transformation for the 1968/1969 period when the main bearing size was increased from 2.30 in to 2.45 in.


and also the turbo trans am was the 301.

never say never

[a2ndopinion]

Nice idea, but sacrilege to me.  That must piss off alot of diehard bow tie guys.  Honestly I would have preferred to just turbo a GM engine and do that.  Now if only I could get my hands on GM's best engine - the 302. Sadly an engine very few knew about.

Very few knew about? Maybe in your neck of the woods, and for the following, but not where I came from!

isent Isn't the 302 and Olds motor?

Bite yer tongue!! 302 is FORD. GM never made a 302.

What!!!!? Matt, where have you been?

302's were available in '67-'69 Camaros.

Have none of you heard of a DZ302 Camaro?

The 302 is a 327 block with a 283 crank. That gave it a 4" bore with a 3" stroke (the 327 used a 3.25" stroke). It can be done with stock parts as there is nothing funny with deck heights and piston pin height (unlike a 327/350 comparison).

Probably the most famous of these engine is the 69 DZ suffix engine. This particular suffix had the highest production number of all the years.

In 67 the RPO suffix codes were MO and MP
In 68 the RPO suffix code was MO (MP was dropped)
In 69 it was the infamous DZ

All were backed by 4-spd transmissions and topped with a single Holley.

sirdan, good research, but not quite 100% correct. As far as I've found and have heard over the years, ALL 327s through '67 had forged steel cranks (I know mine does). In 1968, Chevy changed the main journal size, so the first 350s, in the '67 Camaro (only) had small journals, but in '68, when the 350 was available in everything, they had large journals. The '68 and '69 327s were the only 327s that had big journals. All of the small blocks up through the 350 used a 5.7" rod, but the 400 had a 6.0" rod. The 400 also used even bigger journals, the crank was externally balanced, and the center cylinders were "siamesed" - meaning the water jacket did not go all the way around the cylinders. It also had three freeze plugs on the sides, where as all others had only two. Chevrolet made the small block in 10 (yes, ten) different cubic inches in their 45 year run - 262, 265, 267, 283, 302, 305, 307, 327, 350, and 400. These were in various bores and strokes, for various different reasons - smog, torque, high RPMs...
I could go on and on and on and on... but since this is not a Chevy forum, I will close my mental encyclopedia.
Yes, I am a Chevy fanatic too (got the bow tie tattoo to prove it)!

[83GTCoupe]

I stand corrected. I've never heard of a GM 302 in my life Bob. Also, the 327 was very common on the Camaro's back then, as was the 250 straight six. Both must have been much more prevalent.

[Sigma Projects]

I only know about the 302 because I heard the reason they had it was for racing reasons and they stop using the 302 because rules changed and allowed for a 350 and GM changed to it.

I also know that GM used to make a newer 5.0L since in my dad's 98 Express it had one, didn't really like it much and much preferred the power the 5.7L had. The 5.0 was a Vortec motor. Then the 5.3Ls came out and not too long ago the 4.8Ls.

edit: sweet motor, wish they went with the Vortec 4200 instead and keep it GM    

[wadadlianu]

Matt you disappointed me.  There was I thinking you were the GM man to consult.  The 302 to me is the best GM engine ever built, possibly the best push rod engine ever built. 8000 rpm redline on a push rod engine.  I would pimp you out to Elton John just so I could hear that engine rev.

Next thing you will tell me Ford never had a 427.  It s strange that the big 3 had these wicked engines in the early 70s and now are trying to play catch up with the rest of the world.

The Ford Cammer engine was said to produce way over 500hp in the 70s.  Most reported it was actually over 700hp, but Ford reported just around 500.  The GM 302 we know was way more than 450

[celica fanatic]

What!!!!? Matt, where have you been?

302's were available in '67-'69 Camaros.

Have none of you heard of a DZ302 Camaro?

The 302 is a 327 block with a 283 crank. That gave it a 4" bore with a 3" stroke (the 327 used a 3.25" stroke). It can be done with stock parts as there is nothing funny with deck heights and piston pin height (unlike a 327/350 comparison).

Probably the most famous of these engine is the 69 DZ suffix engine. This particular suffix had the highest production number of all the years.

In 67 the RPO suffix codes were MO and MP
In 68 the RPO suffix code was MO (MP was dropped)
In 69 it was the infamous DZ

All were backed by 4-spd transmissions and topped with a single Holley.

Everything I know is officially a lie as of today.  

[celica83_gts]

Wow, I must be old...I can't believe that people don't know of the Z-28 302! Built for Trans-am racing with a 305ci displacement limit, GM just put some off-the-shelf parts together and went racin'.

Wadi, you can easily do the same with some JY parts. As Bob said, 327 block, 283 crank. Watch the journal sizes, they changed sometime in the 60's. I'd go to a country wreckers for old parts like these, urban guys don't keep old stuff. Might take a little hunting, but it can be done. Put a good set of aftermarket heads on it, and it'll haul ass.

[a2ndopinion]

I only know about the 302 because I heard the reason they had it was for racing reasons and they stop using the 302 because rules changed and allowed for a 350 and GM changed to it.

I also know that GM used to make a newer 5.0L since in my dad's 98 Express it had one, didn't really like it much and much preferred the power the 5.7L had. The 5.0 was a Vortec motor. Then the 5.3Ls came out and not too long ago the 4.8Ls.

edit: sweet motor, wish they went with the Vortec 4200 instead and keep it GM 

Yes, it was a rule change that stopped production of the 302. That also hurt Chevy's winning ways in the Trans-Am series, as Mopar had been hurt by the 5.0L limit, with the closest they had being the 273. Ford built the 302 Boss, which was basically Cleveland heads on a 302 Windsor block, but wouldn't produce squat for power down low. AMC used their 290 that was bored to 304. In 1970, the rule of a 5.0L limit was eliminated, and AMC became the top dog with their AMX and a 390.


Chevy's (GM) "new" 5.0L (305) used a long stroke with a small bore. So small in fact that you are limited on head use (1.72 intakes) because the 1.94 and 2.02 intake valves hit the cyl walls! It was introduced in '76, and was a "smog motor".
One of my best friends while growing up's mom had a "Monza Town Coupe" (same shape as a 3rd gen Celica Coupe) with a 305 - basically a factory V8 Vega. Too bad they only got the 305 option in CA.

[85GTS]

Wow, I must be old...I can't believe that people don't know of the Z-28 302! Built for Trans-am racing with a 305ci displacement limit, GM just put some off-the-shelf parts together and went racin'.

 

Well im not old or a chevy guy, and I knew about the 302.....

[83GTCoupe]

Matt you disappointed me.  There was I thinking you were the GM man to consult.  The 302 to me is the best GM engine ever built, possibly the best push rod engine ever built. 8000 rpm redline on a push rod engine.  I would pimp you out to Elton John just so I could hear that engine rev.

Next thing you will tell me Ford never had a 427.  It s strange that the big 3 had these wicked engines in the early 70s and now are trying to play catch up with the rest of the world.

The Ford Cammer engine was said to produce way over 500hp in the 70s.  Most reported it was actually over 700hp, but Ford reported just around 500.  The GM 302 we know was way more than 450

Nope. Of course I have heard of the 427. Very sought after engine. I don't know a single person in my lifetime, that ever looked for a GM 302, or even mentioned one being in existence. Not only that, but it was never brought up in either of the two automotive schools I attended. The smaller V-8's such as the 283 and 305 were always talked about, but never a 302. Now to top it off, I have yet to have EVER come across a 302 GM in a yard, and I used to spend every weekend in the yards from the time I got my drivers license. I have yet to EVER see a GM 302 at the car shows, such as Carlisle, PA., or to even hear someone make mention of this "supposedly" popular engine.

Not once, in all of my subscriptions to Hot Rod Magazine, Car & Driver or any other magazines, did I ever see an article on this engine. Now, if the 302 was so popular, then why is it that so many people went after, and still go for the 327?