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« Reply #15 on: Nov 09, 2007, 06:53:00 am »
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Well eventually I will go EDIS, but I have to get it in the car and figure out the tuning first. I no sooner picked up and installed the IATS, and then I find out I need the PWM valve too. :rolleyes: This looks like it'll do the trick though for the ignition.
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You'll probably want to switch to the later igniter or a GM 7-pin HEI module. Both the VAST ignition and the HEI are well documented on the MSnSE site. Actually, I think VAST is better explained in the DIYautotune.com tech articles..
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« Reply #16 on: Nov 09, 2007, 09:22:25 am »
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Yea, isn't it great? I'll be going through this kind of stuff if I get this 2RZ :P
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« Reply #17 on: Dec 19, 2007, 05:43:33 pm »
that may not help anyone, but the real circuit needed to capture the AC signal from such distributor is a zero crossing circuit. you need to pick-up the signal at the point where it reaches 0v, otherwise the output will be altered by the speed of the distributor (if you read the peak point for example).
there is tons of such circuit on the net.

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« Reply #18 on: Apr 11, 2008, 02:15:05 am »
Okay, I asked the seller of the 4AGE EDIS setup on ebay what the coil pack is from and he replied with 4G63 Mitsubishi, for which he claims is his third setup, and they work better than Ford coil packs because they use a standard wire over the snap on style that Ford has. ;)
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« Reply #19 on: Apr 11, 2008, 02:33:33 am »
I don't know about better... It'll fit the stock wires, but I would bet that standard EDIS Escort wires would work fine on the 22RE... I'm looking at getting Contour wires for the 2RZ, they look similar. I've gotta take one of my 2RZ wires in to compare...
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« Reply #20 on: Apr 11, 2008, 02:41:31 am »
If you buy wires for the Ford coil pack, I doubt you can get them in desired lengths based on where you place the coil pack, and I plan to mount mine as far away from any engine heat as possible. That means you need a standard coil pack, or you'll be stuck with wire lengths tailored specifically to the Ford coil packs design and location on top of the engine, leaving you very few mounting options that will allow them to reach the plugs. By now, I'm sure you realize that it's built in obsolescence that coil packs get mounted in areas that they get heat saturation and end up dying. The standard coil pack plug ends will allow you many more options for mounting away from high heat areas.
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« Reply #21 on: May 07, 2008, 06:13:44 am »
UPDATE!

I have a running Megasquirt using the Bosch module shown above! It works perfectly on the car, however there is one small change. I decided to eliminate the Toyota ignitor, and I am using it on a Tercel not a Celica, but it is a VR sensor distributor just like the Celica.

Ok, so this is very simple. To start with, to get you car on the road for testing, and tuning, you don't (HAVE) to get EDIS crank trigger, or MSD, or HEI, or any other special ignition. You just use what you have. If you have a new VAST system on a newer Toyota, then you can keep the stock distributor and module. If you have the OLD non computerized ignitor (like on a 1984 and older Celica) then you will want to update the module with either a VAST spark module from a Toyota *(OR) a BOSCH smart module. I chose the Bosch module since I had an extra one, and it works great.

I used the VR input option, without converting the signal to a square wave, on a V 3.0 megasquirt with a Version 1 processor running megasquirt n' spark software. Using the default settings, I soldered the entire circuit board together myself, hooked up my Toyota Tercel VR sensor distributor to the Ignition trigger input on the Megasquirt, which is only one wire, the other VR sensor wires goes to ground.

For the Megasquirt spark output, I selected 50% fixed duty cycle, 5 degrees trigger angle (where my mark on my front pulley shows 5 BTDC degrees when the VR sensor teeth line up in the Dizzy). I ran the pin 36 ignition OUTPUT directly to a Bosch spark module, and the Bosch spark module is controlling my STOCK Tercel coil! I have burned about 10 gallons of fuel and have traveled at least 70 miles, and all is well. The module never gets even slightly warm, so it appears to be doing just fine.

OK, so to recap.... Megasquirt ignition takes 10 minutes or less to finalize. You just get a Bosch Spark module (listed above in the first post) or you get a VAST spark module. You keep you STOCK distributor, lock out the advance mechanism, and vacuum canister, and you have everything you need! You are done! You just use the VR trigger input on the megasquirt - use the default settings, no adjustments necessary to the VR trimmer knobs on the circuit board. No distortion of signal, no misfires, just good clean fun!

Just for reference sake, I put this on a 1993 Tercel with a 1.5L 3E-E engine. I've tested it up to 6500rpms and it is still clean, zero misfires. The best part is that I utilized all the stock wiring on the harness. I didn't add a *single* wire to the engine compartment. It doesn't get easier than that! Hope this helps someone someday. It took me a whole 12 months to finally put this stuff on my car. I hope I can save someone else the difficulty of learning this stuff from scratch. If I can be of any help, please let me know!

Soon I'm going to a turbo, I'll have it mounted in a week or so. We will see how the ignition holds up under boost!

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« Last Edit: May 07, 2008, 06:18:26 am by supermuble »


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« Reply #22 on: May 07, 2008, 07:22:54 am »
I'm glad this will run the ignition, but how is timing dealt with not having the resolution of something like an EDIS trigger wheel?


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« Reply #23 on: May 07, 2008, 08:04:08 am »
The same way TCCS deals with it.
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« Reply #24 on: May 07, 2008, 03:52:26 pm »
sSupermuble, once again, thank you for your leg work, and for sharing this vital and helpful information with the forum. :thumbs:  I thought you sold the Celica a while back, and wasn't sure if we'd get an update from you on this. Glad t see you've followed up on it.
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