Author Topic: Celica Mods (Read 3227 times)

22re · « **on:** Sep 20, 2003, 01:56:19 am »

i talked to alot of guys who have modded there 3rd gen Celicas and most of them told me, if i want to feel some serious power then i should go straight to porting a 20r head and putting it on the 22r. and hooking up turbo. They told me not to waste time with cheap bolt-on things like headers, throttle body which should be done later.. and cams and pistons should be done after the turbo and ported head. i want to feel some real power so that's what im doing now.

PooRLiLGT · « **Reply #1 on:** Sep 20, 2003, 02:01:27 am »

Good to hear, IMO the head, any head is where the power is at.

Bridge · « **Reply #2 on:** Sep 20, 2003, 02:04:13 am »

you'll want to do the pistons before you do the turbo... it would also be a good time to get a turbo cam... You dont need a 20R head... the 20R is better though, its a true HEMI design. You can buy a turbo kit from LC engineering desiged for the 22RE. comes with everythig you need. besides good strong pistons and a upgraded cam.

Or for about the same price you could find a engine to swap in. some people have been able to swap 5MGEs and maybe with enough work you could swap a 7MGTE witch would give you more power than a turbo kit on a 22RE could.

Teranfirbt · « **Reply #3 on:** Sep 20, 2003, 03:01:43 am »

If you want to go beyond ~5 lbs of boost you will NEED lower compression pistons, as the 9:1 compression will blow up your motor with too much boost. 8:1 is good for up to about 12 lbs, i think, just ask around.. you will also have to get an upgaded ECU if you wanna make any decent power, and a stand alone engine management system isnt bad if you wanna make a lot of power (200+ hp). ive heard about 7M-GTEs swapped into mk3s, and while that awsome (230 hp stock) you will want to watch out for the head gasket..

dynamic73 · « **Reply #4 on:** Sep 20, 2003, 03:52:41 am »

Well if you are determined to go with a turbo. Then you must find a 22RET engine. That means you need a turbo block and head. You just can't turbo a 22R motor. There is a lot of extensive work that has to be done to the block and head. And these modifications can't be done to a 22R engine. If you serious then I suggest you go here http://www.well.com/user/mosk/welcome.htm and read up on everything that is required. He also talks about someone who tried to turbo a regular 22R engine and the guy never did get it quit right. After spending 3 to 4 times what it would have cost him. If he would have just started out with the 22RET turbo motor. Good luck and keep us updated on your progress.

NightCelica · « **Reply #5 on:** Sep 20, 2003, 10:31:32 am »

Why can you not trubo a 22re?
I have read on many ppl who have.

83CelWA · « **Reply #6 on:** Sep 20, 2003, 01:41:49 pm »

I think he was saying that you can not just throw a turbo on a 22r without having to build up the engine..

NightCelica · « **Reply #7 on:** Sep 20, 2003, 05:34:25 pm »

Why not, on a good conition 22re it would take 5-8lbs of boost(intercooled) without to much trouble. The biggest problem you would have is that the 82-84 ECU did not "understand boost", meaning they would be confused by it, the second big problem would be fuel, our injector are only 200cc we would need at least 250cc if not 300cc to protech against being to lean.
Of course you have the hardware problem to work out, extra engine cooling, extra oil cooling, oil feed and return lines for the turbo, a high-flow fuel pump plus some other small stuff to work out.
A compession ratio of 9:1 or 9.3:1 for the 85 owners is not all that high. The 2ZZ-GE powerd Celicas have been under boost and they have 12.5:1 ratio, plus the fact that there blocks are cast aluminium(not all bad) but there crankshaft and the rods are cast iron, forged steel like ours are. The ultra-high output S2000 engines have a supercharger kit..
Our engine the 22r/22re is the reason(one of) the truck became known as unbreakable, it was not because the engine were weak or fragile.
If our engines are fragile then why do they 200,000miles, 300,000miles or more?

EVeryone I know how has a 22re in their Celica have beaten the hell out of it, each one with over 150Kmiles on the stock engine. Not ONE has failed! Not one!

wadadlianu · « **Reply #8 on:** Sep 20, 2003, 06:43:11 pm »

Yeah but keep in mind that these engines are of a different design and also run more powerful and up to date ecus. The problem with running the extra boost isnt a matter of too much compression, it has to do with the ignition. Are you going to get hot spots or pre ignition? Will your intake be able to flow the air to each cylinder equally? Will your fuel lines be able to flow the needed fuel to the upgraded injectors? Most people couldnt figure the reason for the 3SGTE killing specific cylinders when boosted high, they tried ignition, fuel etc. After much research it was found that the fuel rail in its OEM design was causing a fuel problem, then after that the intake manifold was leaning out cyl 3.

dynamic73 · « **Reply #9 on:** Sep 20, 2003, 07:58:59 pm »

Ok let me make this big and bold and plain and straight. Can you put a turbo on a 22R or 22RE motor. NO!!! Can it be done yes. You can also put a nuclear reactor in you car if you got enough money. Like I said before. If you're going to turbo your car and want a 22R motor. Get the 22RET engine and start from there. I haven't seen anyone with a 22R engine. That put a turbo on it and had great success. I feel your frustration. But to turbo your car is a very expensive and time consuming task. Even if you start out with a 22RET engine. If someone has built a 22R engine and adding a turbo. I'd love to see it. Prove me wrong. But don't say it can be done. And not having anything to back it up with. I've seen a lot of sites on the web. Where they are planning to put a turbo in their 3 gen Celica. Most of the sites. Never show you the finished project. Nor do they give you and facts or figures. If you got tons of money. Go for it. Show us that it can be done. But for the normal peeps in this forum. That are not rich. Don't try this project without asking yourself. "Do I feel lucky... Well do ya punk".

22re · « **Reply #10 on:** Sep 21, 2003, 08:06:02 pm »

22r engine turbo

good pictures

dynamic73 · « **Reply #11 on:** Sep 21, 2003, 10:35:57 pm »

Yea are you trying to prove my point. That's another 22R turbo that's not finished. And still hasn't seen the road.

83CelWA · « **Reply #12 on:** Sep 22, 2003, 04:31:04 am »

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22r engine turbo

good pictures

That is one sweet rebuild. I wish I had a place that I could do that at.

toynado · « **Reply #13 on:** Sep 22, 2003, 11:23:01 am »

supra with 6

Bridge · « **Reply #14 on:** Sep 22, 2003, 07:32:10 pm »

If you want brute power so bad and are willing to go through the hassel of installing a turbo, why dont you simply buy a 7mGTE and try to swap that in. it'll be a tight fit but then again, TOYSPORT was able to cram a 2JZGTE into a celica.