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The Celica-gts.com Megasquirt Bible
« on: Nov 12, 2007, 02:26:55 am »
This is a thread for everyone who is running and/or interested in running Megasquirt to share with the rest of the forum their experience, tuning tips, fuel and spark maps, various settings, etc with the rest of the forums in order to help everyone who is interested in making Megasquirt run on their car an easier process.

How this works.
Post up your fuel maps, spark maps, anything else you might think is useful. Then post up any kind of wiring mods, intake, sensor, etc mods that you did. Then finally post up engine mods so that people can get a good idea of matching up what they have to already running maps.

The goal here isn't to provide ready to go maps for people, it's to give people ideas of what they will need to do to make their particular setup run well. A

This thread does not replace reading, understanding, reading again, comprehending, and then re-reading the Mega manual. Neither Celica-GTS.com or the individual members of this board are responsible for bad tuning practices, not researching a feature enough, or other faults in *your* build that lead to a damaged motor and ego.
This is not meant to be a step by step guide, this is meant as a place to get tips and ideas, not a thread to get your car from start to finish. MS is a DIY system, with an emphasis on the Yourself part.

I'll start out with my stuff:
GM clip on air temp sensor out of a mid 90's Pontiac van with hacked out AFM connector:

The wiring direction doesn't matter, wires go to the pins on either end of the AFM connector. Match up with the THA pin back at the ECU. The red wire controls the fuel pump using the stock wiring. Solder a loop between the E1 pin and the Vc pin, match the Vc wire back at the ECU to the fuel pump input on MS.


Sensor by itself.



Sensor clipped in intake tube.



Early EFI harness to late TPS adapter. Just hack the backing plate from an early TPS and use the connector. The wiring is up to you, autoshop101.com has the pin outs for both TPS in their EFI Inputs tech article.



Adapter harness I made to go between MS and the stock harness already in the car, if I ever had to go with the stock ECU. It's a connector hacked out of the stock ECU with the wires soldered to the back. Works very nicely.

I'm not using ignition control yet, just using the stock distributor with an MSD 6A box. The stock dizzy VR sensor controls the MSD box, which sends a tach signal to MS through the stock wiring to the ECU.

Here's my fuel map:

You will want to raise the lower part of the map (below 72 kPA) by at least 5 from 1800 RPM+. That part of the map is tuned for 16:1 on my car, and may result in an overly lean condition in your car causing pinging or detonation.


AFR map. Only for use with a wideband O2 sensor.


Accel Enrichment


After Start Enrichment.

Engine mods:
Stock early cylinder head
bored .020" over
TRD Stage 2 cam
5MGE 60mm TB
Doug Thorley header
4AGE 210cc/min injectors
« Last Edit: Nov 12, 2007, 02:31:01 am by Teranfirbt »
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« Reply #1 on: Nov 13, 2007, 04:16:37 am »
Here's what I've got so far.


If you use Easytherm, be sure to put the modified files in the proper megatune directories!  I had an annoying issue of Warmup/ASE/fast idle shutting off way to early.

For those that have removed or dont have A/C, MS will fit snugly on top of a non A/C heater box, with the wiring tucking in nicely behind the glove box top.

My intake setup uses a IAT from a Pontiac Sunfire, inserted into the stock air tube.  i replaced the stock AFM with a piece of 3" ABS.




fuel map as of 3/28/08 (still being fine tuned):



my setup:
MS1 v3.0 board, MSnS-extra hi-res 10h - innovate wideband o2.  tuning is via Palm IIIxe and PC

Engine mods:
lightly ported early cylinder head
bored .020" over
Comp 268 cam
5MGE 60mm TB
4AGE 210cc/min injectors (soon to be upgraded to 250cc/min)
Thorley Header

hi-res code is your friend :D
« Last Edit: Dec 23, 2008, 07:36:12 am by zipty842 »
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« Reply #2 on: Nov 13, 2007, 03:06:43 pm »
Tuning MS.  For a turbo setup, a wideband really is necessary.  No two MS motors seem to be tuned exactly the same way.  I've started compiling a set of fuel and timing maps across several different EFI systems, just so you can get an idea:   http://www.22rte-trucks.com/simplemachines....php?topic=41.0


 

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« Reply #3 on: Apr 07, 2008, 11:11:59 pm »
I made a yard discovery yesterday. I had already pulled a 2 wire PWM valve from a Volvo, and then accidentally happened across a Mercedes with a 2 wire PWM. If you can get one of these instead of the Volvo setup, it requires no tools other than something to cut the wire harness. It was very easy to remove, as the rubber mount that it's encased in is shaped to "snap" into place between the intake runners and all you need to do is give it a really good tug to get it out. It's literally mounted to the top of the aft intake runners, and if you don't see it there, odds are it has been snagged already. The Volvo PWM is located in a bit of a tight spot, and requires a lot more work to get to, and remove. Either one should work though.

Took me all of about 1 minute to remove the Mercedes, including rooting through my box to find the dikes to cut the wires. :P Just thought I'd save you all the time, should you decide to use one in place of the IACV when you go MegaSquirt. ;)

MERCEDES PWM



VOLVO PWM



The upside to the Volvo PWM is the mounting capabilities of the rubber mount over the Mercedes, which is not bolted to anything. The Volvo rubber mount has 2 bolt holes in it.
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« Reply #4 on: Aug 30, 2009, 06:28:36 am »
I just installed direct coil control today, can't drive the car until I get a new radiator though.  

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Re: The Celica-gts.com Megasquirt Bible
« Reply #5 on: Jul 03, 2010, 04:19:44 am »
Forgive me if I'm not seeing this here.. But have you been on a dyno yet to document and number changes with this in horsepower?
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Re: The Celica-gts.com Megasquirt Bible
« Reply #6 on: Sep 13, 2012, 10:30:14 pm »
PNP harness to go from 22re inectors to 7MGTE injectors.

This is pretty simple to do, I'd rate it 2 out of 10 in difficulty. Will take anywhere from 20 minutes to 1 hour.

Picked up these:
http://www.bmotorsports.com/shop/product_info.php/cPath/109_175/products_id/570

these will plug into the existing wiring harness.

I also already had 7mgte injectors and pigtails.


What you need:


Pliers, strippers, pigtails and plugs. little electrical tape or shrink wrap would be good too.


Pigtail and plug




What comes in the kit.




Slide on the rubber gasket plug things. I found it easier to do prior to stripping.



Then strip the wire



Stick the wire into the plug. I found that holding it like i am in the picture made it easiest.




Bend the part that holds the unexposed part first. one side at a time.






Then bend down the part that touches the exposed wire. Do it one side at a time and make sure you get it bent down pretty good before folding the other over.






Stick them in the connector. It will take a small amount of force to make them seat and they will make a snapping noise.




Now slide those gasket thingies down. I used my fingernails and worked around them until they went in.









And that's about it. I wrapped some electrical tape around mine after i was done.
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Re: The Celica-gts.com Megasquirt Bible
« Reply #7 on: Feb 08, 2014, 01:03:16 am »
so when installing megasquirt we cant use the stock idel control valve? btw can we buy the conector ends to make a jumper harness or is it better to get a stock ecu and use that conector. why do you want to use the new style tps

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« Reply #8 on: Feb 11, 2014, 03:00:38 am »
You can use the stock valve, it just needs switched 12v when the key is set to "on"

When I did the 22RE I made a jumper harness out of the stock ECU plug. It's kind of a pain and I'm not really sure if it's worth it. I would consider pulling an engine harness out of a yard and use that, or build a completely new harness, it's not terribly difficult. For the 2RZ I used the stock 2RZ harness but cut the OEM connector off and built my own. For the Tercel I built a fresh harness from scratch.

You have to use the newer TPS because MS needs a potentiometer type TPS. The early 3 wire ones were simple 3 way switches. With MS you only use 3 of the 4 TPS pins anyway.
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« Reply #9 on: Mar 01, 2014, 09:30:32 am »
what yr tps ? I have a 85 car and my 5mge tb wont allow me to use a 89-95tps. also what did you use on the back of the plug that's not letting the wires short circuit. I plan on using a donor ecu as I have 4 stock one laying around plus the 22ret ecu.

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« Reply #10 on: Mar 01, 2014, 03:19:38 pm »
The 89-95 TPS has a different connector, I don't know anything else about it.
I used a good coat of JB-weld on the back of the connector for strain relief and to insulate the wires.
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« Reply #11 on: Mar 03, 2014, 07:45:51 pm »
wont that cause them to sort out? well you cant use a 89-95 tps cause they have to be wound tighter then there ment to be when bolted on to a 84-88 tps

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Re: The Celica-gts.com Megasquirt Bible
« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2017, 02:45:16 pm »
Where are all of the map files?

Any MS3 / MS3X files for a 1985 22re gts?

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« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2017, 03:41:09 pm »
Where are all of the map files?

Any MS3 / MS3X files for a 1985 22re gts?

We don't have any in this thread, but I think Terranfirbt might have one he can send you if you PM him. Not that it would matter much. You can email Matt @diyautotune and he can send you a base tune start up map. But that's all you need to get it running. You HAVE to take it to a tuner. Each engine is different, even the same year and same mods!
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« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2017, 05:29:51 pm »
http://www.megasquirtpnp.com/mspnp2_maps.php

The 85-90 pickup/4runner base map should be enough to get started fine tuning.
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