Author Topic: Semi-dumb Question (Read 2886 times)

wadadlianu · « **Reply #15 on:** Sep 27, 2003, 12:40:59 am »

That s right. The car is very heavy, but luckily for its owners, the engine loves modifications

Teranfirbt · « **Reply #16 on:** Sep 27, 2003, 01:10:24 am »

yea, 1200+ HP out of a 2.6 litre nissan motor is crazy.

NightCelica · « **Reply #17 on:** Sep 27, 2003, 12:12:12 pm »

I think it is down to the driver, and what the drive like or dislikes and what he knows and does not know. Plus we have three different types of drivetrain here.
AWD, FR and MR.

Top-end: Supre, GT-R, RX-7, Mr-2 and the Celica would be where the mods place it, a twin-turbo 5M-GTE powered Celica could easily make 300+, even a 22rTe(US) could make 300 also, which would make it faster than any of them because of weight

It all go back to the drivers skill and what he/she likes or is used too.
You would not put a person that races with AWD car and put him in a MR or FF and expect him/her to win each car drives different esp when the drivetrain are different.

The september issue of GRM had a article about "budget Supercars" , while they did not cover the 84 Celica or the Gt-R they did have the MR-2, RX-7, Supra and the 300ZXTT. with power out-put,0-60 times plus weight of cousre these would US-models.

Model HP T 0-60 lbs quarter-mile Top-spd
300 ZX 300@ 283 5.0 3474 13.7@102MPH 153
TT 6400

Supra 320@ 315@ 4.9 3505 13.1@109 155
TT 5600 4000

RX-7 255@ 217 5.5 2800 14.0(spd not 144
6500 5000 given)

MR-2 200@ 200@ 6.2 2800 14.7@94 145
6000 3200

BONUS
3000 GT 300@ 307@ 6.0 3875 14.5@97 160
VR-4/ 6000 2500
Dodge Stealth
R/T Turbo

Acura
NSX3.0L 270@ 210@ 5.2 2820 13.7@104 167
7100 5300

wadadlianu · « **Reply #18 on:** Sep 27, 2003, 04:43:01 pm »

Anyway, back to the actual topic, the money you invest to buy one of the other cars, you could use to modify your Celica, and run rings around them. Any of those other cars start at about 8000 or more, MR2 turbo being the cheapest. So with that 8000 invested into your car you could upgrade your suspension, and modify your engine. Get a 3T-GTE, for 1200, oversize valves and port and polish, change the turbo and ecu, change your shocks, bushings, brakes and you should be able to fall below 8000 if you get some help from your friends

Bridge · « **Reply #19 on:** Sep 27, 2003, 05:30:00 pm »

Thats what i'd do! and thats what i might do! lol

Celicasrule · « **Reply #20 on:** Sep 27, 2003, 08:18:23 pm »

And how woukd it do in comparison at the races?

Teranfirbt · « **Reply #21 on:** Sep 27, 2003, 08:26:06 pm »

Depends on the driver.

wadadlianu · « **Reply #22 on:** Sep 27, 2003, 08:27:22 pm »

It all depends. I cant say for the GT with solid rear axle, but the GTS or other IRS model (none US) came with superd handling capabilities. I know my AA would stop on a dime, and turn circles insidde of it too. So any increase in these performance characteristics will be more than superb. With the added power of a fully built engine, or a turbo engine will help you in the straight lines. I would aim at 250 to 400rwhp which would get you in the 12 to 14 second range (225hp for 14sec)

Keep in mind that racing is an expensive sport. Tires do not last half as long, brakes wear quickly, drive line problems and various little gremlins, and this doesnt make a difference if you are driving Honda, a Toyota or a Yugo.
My AA went through atleast 3 gear box rebuilds.

Celicasrule · « **Reply #23 on:** Sep 27, 2003, 08:30:09 pm »

What's an AA and would anyone suggest an engine swap?

wadadlianu · « **Reply #24 on:** Sep 27, 2003, 08:36:44 pm »

AA=AA63

You do not necessarily need to swap engine. You could build your 22RE for power. There are turbo and supercharger kits available. L C and others have performance parts available that could get you to the performance levels you want.

Celicasrule · « **Reply #25 on:** Sep 27, 2003, 09:00:46 pm »

Turbosupercharge :D
That's what aircraft manufacturers do.

Bridge · « **Reply #26 on:** Sep 27, 2003, 09:27:22 pm »

ummm why? It wouldnt do anything if you had a turbo charged engine with a supercharger too. total waste of money and very pointless. besides, hey both work very differently.

Bridge · « **Reply #27 on:** Sep 27, 2003, 09:28:21 pm »

Oh wait, are you talking about the superchargers that have the turbo compressor on them? Vortech superchargers

wadadlianu · « **Reply #28 on:** Sep 27, 2003, 09:44:22 pm »

Not necessarily, if one was to have a supercharger for lowend grunt, that cuts off at about 4000rpm, then you could run a larger turbo for top end power, but as you said it would cost alot of money. It isnt something I would think about

Teranfirbt · « **Reply #29 on:** Sep 27, 2003, 10:09:01 pm »

our motors arent really built for the top end due to their long stoke and SOHC.