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Nothing pretty build thread
« on: Sep 11, 2012, 02:10:11 am »
I love a good build thread.  I don't promise this will be one of those, but I do consider myself to be a rather clever monkey with a few good ideas of what I want to do with my '85 Celi GT.  I'll start with what it was before I got started: a non-running yard ornament posted on Craigslist in Washington state



that had to be towed home on a dolly


It was at the pressure washer within 10 minutes of leaving dude's house.  Then I spent the latter half of the day vacuuming out the interior and trunk.  The PO cut the rear half of the headliner out because he said some rats got into it + the thing looks like it was infested with spiders at some point.  Yeah, rats got into the headliner and the roof's perimeter frame . . . it was packed with stuff that I'd rather imagine didn't fall all over me when I started cleaning.

Before I even got it running the mods began.  I didn't have spark and diag'd it as the pickup coil & igniter.  So while I was junkyard shopping I found a first gen MR2 which offered up its wing to me


and a straight hood and grill from an '84 GTS to make it a bit less white trash looking


I bought a new pickup coil & found an '85 4runner igniter on CL which had the right number of wires (but 2 connectors instead of 1), so I re-pinned the original connector and got it to start.


The next 2 weekends I tow dollied it to work on Saturday to get it "road ready"  Here's the partial list:
 - rear diff fluid change
 - transmission fluid change
 - flush engine oil & changed twice
 - flush cooling system and fill with Red Long Life Coolant
 - new brass battery terminals
 - NGK G Power Platinum spark plugs and NGK wires
 - brake fluid flush (looked like apple cider)
 - new Bosch wiper blades
 - throttle body cleaned
 - cleaned rear drums & lubed contact points
 - lightly resurfaced the front rotors & lubed caliper slide pins
 - "fix" the passenger door latch so it won't unlock when closing the door without holding the handle up
 - major engine degrease (the pressure washer at work is good enough that it also started taking the flat black off the JY hood)
I also found out the oil pan was so dented up that it took 1 quart less than it should to fill & the drain plug was about 3" higher than the bottom of the pan so I couldn't get all the oil out (already have an idea for a guard to prevent that in the future).

That got it safe enough to drive short distances.  I drove it to DEQ and it passed on the first try. 
I had some trouble setting ignition timing.  It didn't make sense that it would idle nicely when my timing light showed it to be at 45 degrees BTDC.  This is what I found, the crank pulley (and timing marks) weren't really accurate anymore.  I got a new (used) crank pulley, filled the wallowed-out keyway with JBWeld, used a dial indicator on cyl 1 to find true TDC and slid the pulley on.  I turned the pulley till the tdc mark lined up and zipped the bolt down with my impact.


I could have also done it this way (1.5" vacuum drop will put it right at 5 degrees BTDC):
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Many racers and engine tuners have opted for state-of-the-art diagnostic equipment but have forgotten one of the simplest, as well as one of the most accurate tuning tools...... the vacuum gauge.

Vacuum Gauge Connection
Connect the gauge to a "manifold" vacuum source, NOT "ported" vacuum, that rises as RPM increases.  Start by first warming the engine and note the idle vacuum reading. Normal vacuum at idle should be 19-21 inches for a six cylinder, or 15-18 inches on a low compression engine.

Ignition Timing
Slacken the distributor clamp bolt, and with the engine still at idle, advance or retard the ignition until the highest steady vacuum reading is obtained. Then retard the timing until the vacuum gauge reading drops slightly, approximately one half to one inch. In some cases, you may need to retard the timing up to two inches to prevent pre-igniton (pinging).

I also fixed this problem . . .


 . . . by cutting and bolting in a new section that I got at the junkyard


the list was still growing, I fixed or replaced
 - fixed the pop up headlights so they actually pop up
 - new used radiator, that looked new
 - replaced the leaky exhaust manifold gasket
 - cleaned the 2 tubes of dried RTV off the valve cover & PCV valve
 - valve cover gasket
 - valve lash adjust (spec=.008"Int & .010"Exh, but it ranged from .015"-.003")
 - new rear axle/wheel bearing (made it sooo much quieter at highway speed)
 - Power mirror "bolt" repair & cleaned the switch connectors
 - oil pan (the drain plug was level with the "full" mark on the dipstick)


I finally got 4 matching wheels and mounted new 215-60-14 BFGoodrich Radial T/A's on them before doing the alignment.  Happily, the body audit on the Hunter machine showed no axle set back and everything looked straight

Just recently I took it up the highway to the state truck weigh station to get front & rear axle weights (scales work & display even when the station is closed).  Front axle is 1450 lbs, rear is 1150 lbs for a total of 2600 with 1/4 tank of gas in it.

I also decided to take some measurements of air pressure acting on the body.  I used a 0"-5" Magnehelic pressure differential gauge & all measurements used cabin air pressure as an atmospheric pressure reference.  There's a bit more of that HERE


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Re: Nothing pretty build thread
« Reply #1 on: Sep 11, 2012, 02:24:30 am »
That was pretty much my first 2 months of ownership.  Now it's been reliably hauling my butt back and forth to work for nearly a month and I can get started on the fun stuff.  The near future list includes a Cressida brake upgrade.  I have the hubs, calipers and a new set of brake pads.  Just need to pick up a set of cross drilled rotors & new bearings.  I'm also already starting on chassis stiffening and undercarriage (oil pan) protection, expect pics in a few weeks.

Further down the road, but this year yet i want to do a moonroof delete because I'd rather have the headroom - just over 1" more to be exact.  To start, I needed the brace to keep the large span of otherwise unsupported roof sheet metal from vibrating and offer a little bit of support.  The roof itself is a perimeter frame design with nothing inside the edges.  The considerable structure of the moonroof,which is glued to the roof panel & bolted to the sides, acts as bracing.  After a bit of searching it turns out that all I had to do was find a MkII Supra or 3rd gen Celica without a sunroof.  I unbolted the bracing from there and it will bolt into the perimeter roof frame with 4 simple bolts.  For the blank out piece I have an extra metal moonroof which will get hacked up a bit.  It'll be welded on the flange, the part that is folded down vertical, in order to keep the welds from warping the roof.  If you can't picture it, just wait a little while for the pics.  For now, here's the roof layout as it sits - you can see how the roof frame runs around the perimeter

 
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Re: Nothing pretty build thread
« Reply #2 on: Sep 15, 2012, 05:26:29 am »
Damn, nice find.  I'm not so sure I would have seen that diamond in the rough, from where you started.  If/when I do finally break down and build a rally car version of my car, I think I'll just be patient and find one without a sunroof, although I see where you're going with it, should be pretty straight forward.  Keep up the posts and the mods...

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Re: Nothing pretty build thread
« Reply #3 on: Sep 15, 2012, 05:36:30 am »
looking forward to your progress. I like seeing new mods.
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Re: Nothing pretty build thread
« Reply #4 on: Sep 17, 2012, 01:12:00 pm »
I saw this while it was on craigslist. Glad it went to a good home. Since WA doesn't require emissions for cars older than 25 years, where are you located?
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Re: Nothing pretty build thread
« Reply #5 on: Sep 17, 2012, 01:27:19 pm »
Since WA doesn't require emissions for cars older than 25 years, where are you located?

I'm right up in north Portland, PIR is only a few minutes away & I can hear them running most of the time
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Re: Nothing pretty build thread
« Reply #6 on: Sep 17, 2012, 01:36:14 pm »
Sweet! You should come out to the next OTOC meet. I posted in the event section.
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Re: Nothing pretty build thread
« Reply #7 on: Sep 18, 2012, 12:40:34 am »
Cool! thanks for the heads up about OTOC.  Now . . . do I bring the Rally 'Runner or the Celi?
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Re: Nothing pretty build thread
« Reply #8 on: Sep 18, 2012, 03:31:52 am »
Cool! thanks for the heads up about OTOC.  Now . . . do I bring the Rally 'Runner or the Celi?
Have a close buddy or significant other? If so bring both :thumbs:
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master cylinder brace
« Reply #9 on: Oct 13, 2012, 09:03:51 pm »
I have a few projects on the burner, but this is the first and quickest to get done.  Another rallycross just got added before the end of the year (non-points though since the season is over), so I hope to get a few more things finished before then. 

If you've ever watched the master cylinder & brake booster while someone stepped on the pedal you might have been surprised with how much the whole thing moves.  This is all firewall flex.  Here's one quick video showing this, here's another.  I measured about 1/4" with medium pressure and no brake booster assist (engine off).  Multiply that 1/4" by the leverage at the brake pedal and now you have probably closer to, if not over, an inch of pedal movement wasted.  So I wanted to eliminate that.  This master cylinder brace took less than an hour and about $5 in parts.  It is adjustable via the bolt head at the end of the master cylinder.  This drastically increased brake pedal feel.  It wasn't bad to begin with, but now it's much firmer without any loss in braking - I don't have to push harder, it just takes less distance at the pedal.


I used the stock PS reservoir bolt hole + another slightly below and to the rear.  I also have 2 holes to drill through the strut tower to further reinforce it.  You'll notice in the pic above I had to notch the reservoir bracket slightly.


There are master cylinder braces made for a bunch of different makes, some are quite large because the master cylinder is farther laterally from the strut tower.  Luckily, the Celica's master cylinder is very near the strut tower so I didn't have to worry too much about any leverage being exerted on the brace.

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Re: Nothing pretty build thread
« Reply #10 on: Oct 14, 2012, 09:01:18 pm »
nice, thanks for the info :)
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Re: Nothing pretty build thread
« Reply #11 on: Oct 19, 2012, 05:46:25 am »
Post more 4Runner!
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Re: Nothing pretty build thread
« Reply #12 on: Oct 23, 2012, 02:09:23 am »
Post more 4Runner!

Here are the highlights from the 4runner build if you want to read a bit: http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/threads/58610-Corax-s-1st-gen-RN61-4runner

I'm pretty sure the 'runner isn't going to be getting built much more than it already is.  It's decent in high speed dirt/gravel, moderate in the rocks and will still hit triple digits on asphalt (just barely, and the steering feels a bit sketchy).   Now it's just about maintenance to keep the effects of the cumulative abuse at bay: have to fix a couple rust spots, the leaky steering gear, trans case seep, etc.   

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Re: Nothing pretty build thread
« Reply #13 on: Oct 26, 2012, 01:23:39 am »
you have done a tremendous about of work to that car a lot more than i ever would have done to mine but im so satisfied with these celicas its crazy i paid 1200 for the car and ive dumped abotu 2500 into it over the 2 years of owning it, and it seems if i have become part of the car cause i even enjoy it more than my girl, (shhhhh dont tell her) lol
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Re: Nothing pretty build thread
« Reply #14 on: Oct 28, 2012, 12:27:29 am »
One week until the Celica's inaugural rallycross.  So today I bought a big truck mudflap for $15 and cut 4 oversized mudflaps out of it because the organizers have warned, "This site is an old gravel pit – so there are lots of rocks of varying sizes, and it may be rough on your car or at least your tires."  I'm hoping my BFGoodrich Radial TAs do alright, but if they don't, I have road hazard ;)  I couldn't find a really short stubby phillips screwdriver, so pics will come later as I'll need to mount them at work.

I also recently finished up the strut tower bar, well kinda finished it.  I need to make the triangulation bars that go back to the firewall, then the top plates will get welded to the body. 


Even though I kept the bar as low as possible (almost touching the top plate), I had to clearance the hood a little bit anyway.  While I was banging on the hood, a friend at work took it upon himself to remove the cruise control in the interests of weight savings since I said I don't use it anyway.
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