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« Reply #15 on: Dec 10, 2006, 09:44:17 pm »
got a PM message from the same person and same spam like you matt.

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« Reply #16 on: Dec 10, 2006, 11:24:51 pm »
I wonder if switching over to a new forum type wouldn't help cure this issue...

celicasupra.com gets spam, but it's pretty rare compared to what has been going on here. I don't think I've ever really seen spam on supraforums, but they have tons of moderators that zap things pretty instantly.

I know VBulletin is pretty costly, so if you did someday decide to go this route, you can set up a donations module and use some google ads to help generate funds (the ads on celicasupra.com and supraforums.com aren't all that distracting really considering the content of the forums themselves)

I also see we don't have a shitload of members compared to the other forums I've mentioned, but perhaps switching to VB would help boost that a little bit.

I try to promote celica-gts.com wherever I can, but I know there's tons of people who don't know about it. If we can muster 5,000 people on cs.com, I'm sure we can here too as Celica production numbers are a LOT more than the Supras...
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« Reply #17 on: Dec 11, 2006, 03:46:36 am »
Are we maybe getting extra spam for the Holiday season???

Also I was just wondering, When you ban a spamer. Dose it remove the menber # from "registered members" list or dose it stay on there??  Looks like it does. Because we have about 1000 members and I'm like 1200 something??? Kinda weard.  
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« Reply #18 on: Dec 11, 2006, 04:08:11 am »
I think you're right. It'd be nice to be able to ban the members that screwed others over on the forum too. We'd have a more accurate account of our real registered members. Get rid of guys like Zepp and Toyotaguy_00 from the list.
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« Reply #19 on: Dec 11, 2006, 02:43:00 pm »
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I wonder if switching over to a new forum type wouldn't help cure this issue...
All forums use pretty much the same systems for preventing spam. Invision forums are actually one of the best (and most expensive) in the industry. Most spam prevention is simply requiring email validations. This is the best tool for spam prevention. The next most important tool is the verification code system, which makes people copy a series of characters from an image. This should prevent spam-bots from signing up, because generally bots cant read text on an image.

The next way forums prevent spam is by banning email domains like im starting to do now. I've seen many forums that simply do not allow people to sign up with emails from any free email service. Ill bet cs.com and supraforums have both already implemented similar domain filtering to what im trying to do now. Though, id be interested to know exactly how they do handle spam prevention.

I have considered upgrading to the latest Invision system for a while, but it would require me to upgrade apache and php. Both of these upgrades would be fairly time consuming and might break other portions of the site and almost always cause unforeseen problems. Not to mention, lengthy downtime.

There really is no way to switch to a completely different forum system at this point. The database format is different in some small but very important ways. So we would loose all of the posts/accounts/uploaded images/profiles.

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Also I was just wondering, When you ban a spamer. Dose it remove the menber # from "registered members" list or dose it stay on there??  Looks like it does. Because we have about 1000 members and I'm like 1200 something??? Kinda weard.
I usually ban by suspending their account. Their account still exists but is unable to login or post.

The reason your member number is so much more that our registered members count is because of the email verification system. Lots of spammers and people who just don't like to give out their emails have tried to register. But, since they used a fake address they were never able to activate the account. The forums automatically delete these accounts after 48 hours.

At the moment our registered members count is 1,058... however the last registered member is number 1,657. That means that there have been 599 people who have tried to register with a fake email, but couldn't. Chances are almost all of these were spammers.

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It'd be nice to be able to ban the members that screwed others over on the forum too.
Actually, I never bothered to ban them. Perhaps I should. Or at least change their title to "Scammer" or something :P
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« Reply #20 on: Dec 11, 2006, 04:25:31 pm »
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This should prevent spam-bots from signing up, because generally bots cant read text on an image.
The industry is currently under a huge spam attack as a result of the bots getting smarter. The above is no longer true. Finding a bot that can decode the images for the verification code is not hard. Given the influx of spam we've had lately, I'd be willing to bet that it is one or two spammers with a bot on the forum, registering a bunch of bogus addresses. Unless the registration images are super complex (most aren't) then a bot will be able to register.


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The next way forums prevent spam is by banning email domains like im starting to do now. I've seen many forums that simply do not allow people to sign up with emails from any free email service.

More likely, an ip-level ban for certain subnets known to spam are in place (a C-class IP ban or above.) Does Invision support any kind of blacklist service? That's another alternative.

As someone who has to maintain a mail server, I know too well about the influx of crap lately... I'm sure 83GTCoupe has seen it as well.
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« Reply #21 on: Dec 11, 2006, 04:49:29 pm »
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As someone who has to maintain a mail server, I know too well about the influx of crap lately... I'm sure 83GTCoupe has seen it as well.
Actually yes I have Dan. It's mostly due to careless users, and sometimes even I/S Managers unfortunately. Some of the ships in the fleet have been bombarded with garbage, and not just 1 department, but almost all departments on a ship. That's a LOT of email accounts under ther ship domain. All we can do from here is add them to the Junk email sender list. We report the issue shore side, and set up filtering from there.

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Actually, I never bothered to ban them. Perhaps I should. Or at least change their title to "Scammer" or something  :P
:rofl: Put it in caps too. "I CANNOT BE TRUSTED!"
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« Reply #22 on: Dec 11, 2006, 05:53:33 pm »
i dont understand why we all complain about the spammers that spam like maybe 4
times a week....

our major problem spammer is #4 on that list LOL
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« Reply #23 on: Dec 11, 2006, 06:22:56 pm »
I'll give Malloy (owner of cs.com) next time I see him on AIM and ask him about spam prevention, maybe he has something extra up his sleeve
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« Reply #24 on: Dec 11, 2006, 07:53:35 pm »
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i dont understand why we all complain about the spammers that spam like maybe 4
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We get spammed about 10 times a day here. You just aren't around to see it. ;)

And we just got spammed again by new jackass repasollo.
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« Reply #25 on: Dec 11, 2006, 11:44:04 pm »
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Finding a bot that can decode the images for the verification code is not hard.
The thought had crossed my mind, but its hard to believe that a true pattern recognition system is now part of the bots. If only programmers of that caliber would use their powers for good, instead of evil :P

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More likely, an ip-level ban for certain subnets known to spam are in place (a C-class IP ban or above.) Does Invision support any kind of blacklist service?
Yes, I can ban IPs at any level. But, this is a bit different than email spam. Email spam requires a very powerful connection. To send out 100 million emails in a timely manner, spammers need a real leased line (with their own IP addresses). So its fairly easy to use spam fighting services like spamcop to get good quality blacklists. Forum bots however, could run on anything, even dialup. So trying to figure out what IP blocks the spammers will use next is near impossible. At least that's what ive seen so far. Ive been trying to find commonalities in the IPs, so far there have been none. Except one or two spammers that are on a static IP (which I have already banned).

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our major problem spammer is #4 on that list LOL
Haha! IP banned!

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I'll give Malloy (owner of cs.com) next time I see him on AIM and ask him about spam prevention, maybe he has something extra up his sleeve
Thanks Tanya, that would be great. Those forums are huge compared to us. Better search engine positioning too. They must have had to do something to prevent spammers.
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« Reply #26 on: Dec 11, 2006, 11:53:02 pm »
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« Reply #27 on: Dec 12, 2006, 05:47:21 am »
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i dont understand why we all complain about the spammers that spam like maybe 4
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:huh:
We get spammed about 10 times a day here. You just aren't around to see it. ;)

And we just got spammed again by new jackass repasollo.
yeah that wouldnt surprise me  :(


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« Reply #28 on: Dec 13, 2006, 08:02:40 am »
I'am from Newforundland and when I go into gatewaytonewfoundland fourm the same is hpppening there. We are getting alot of spamers

 

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